Racing Club Warwick

	One - Hand - Waving wrote:
	I think if you read my post again you clearly see there is a total lack of opinion and just fact. If you want to chat about opinions, then rcwfc is the man you are looking for.

I've not replied to your initial posts as I'm not interested in putting you right about your 'facts' as I'd spend all night ripping them apart and to be quite honest I was more bothered about watching United on the box, eating, making several phone calls and basically breathing.

I'm curious as to how one man, who has absolutely nothing to do with RCW, can claim to know facts about the club and merely dismiss what people within the club say as opinions Think

As you have no link to the club I think it's safe for everyone here to assume that you are just voicing your opinions, unfortunately they are misguided but you are entitled to them, that is why god created forums such as this so that people like you can post comments and flex your internet muscles..... However I think you forgot to have your weetabix this morning.

Would it be easier for me to walk away? Do I need the hassle of running a side who have problems off the pitch? The answer is no. I do it because when I start something I see it through to the end or until I'm not wanted and I'll continue to be 100% committed until that time comes.

You can say whatever you like about our ground and facilities, but you're very wrong if you think that we will no longer have debt or bills to pay just because we are linked with Warwick Juniors, where in the rules does it say that??? And I thought you were a fairly bright individual, obviously you've been spoon fed false information and whoever did that has made you look very silly.

Let's put this to bed now, I'm bored. Thanks to Lee, G.W, D.O and Leigh for your supportive comments... it's good to know real football fans don't want to see a club in the league struggle or fold thumleft

	One - Hand - Waving wrote:
	Hey Kev If you are handing out free tax loophole advice mate i'll be in the Sara Siddens at 7.30 tomorrow.

Sarah Siddons... or Woodloes Tavern... see you at 7.30.... Wear the Hat cyclops

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Kev A wrote:

Leigh wrote:

Well if i came across hostile it was not that way intended and i'm sorry..

As for being a parent thats not me! I'm 24 and work with the Under 12's, do the math!.. I'm merely a Junior coach within the area who has working experiance with the likes of Coventry, Northampton and Leicester at CofE/Development level.. I completely agree that Warwick for some strange reason overlooks Football infavor of Rugby.. Hopefully i can also change the previous focus of B'ham/Cov lads at RCW to having some of the local talent through to the First Team in the next 4 to 5 years.. Though in the current Youth sides there are some very talented local lads who i think will make the grade and improve the team..

Anyway!

I could go more into depth regarding my squad but i think it would be worthless as you said you have little interest in kids football, which is a shame because that is what keeps football alive and is also where England is getting it wrong, poor Grassroots coaching.. Parents not dedicated coaches..

Kev A can throw as much free advice around as he wants, i'm in no wrong talking about the Junior side which i know about.. If i was to debate about the Senior side or the clubs financial state then i'd be doing myself some harm, but as stated that is not my interest..

Sorry Leigh,One thing i did not aim to do was "throw around free advice" as i apologized earlier i got it wrong that you was a Young player from RCW which you said you was not as you are 24 yrs of age d'oh!

When you get to RCW next year.. Unless you was there for the Local Photo Question

Have a word with the (Chairman) who is currently running the club and ask him if my "Advice" helped keep a local club survive Angel

So you are not interested in anyway regarding RCW Senior Football.... ..... What is this Forum Question

I believe i said i was not interested in debating about off field stuff? and as i help out the first team on match day i think i'm interested in how they get on in terms of results..

And what if you consider 24 to be young? if other people are entitled to there opinion i too am entitled to mine regardless of age, gender or race.. But one thing i refuse to do is get into a slagging match.. Regardless of what this fourm is for i joined to see what peoples comments where on RCW first team's games, not to debate about there financial state..

Why would i be interested in what advice you gave the chairman? thats for him and you.. You offered me some advice which i declined.. big deal.. Boo hoo!

Like i said, i was just concerned about the comments made about the kids and the clubs prerogative with them as i know the lads and parents on a personal level.. I know what the clubs ambition is for the boys and if someone says different i'm going to ask why they would think that.. Though to be honest i wish i had never commented now, i know the clubs truthful idea for the lads..

[quote="Leigh"]

Kev A wrote:

	Leigh wrote:
	Kev A can throw as much free advice around as he wants,

I believe i said i was not interested in debating about off field stuff? and as i help out the first team on match day i think i'm interested in how they get on in terms of results..

And what if you consider 24 to be young?

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	Yes -- Compared to my age lol

Why would i be interested in what advice you gave the chairman? thats for him and you..

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	Just advice/general chat that may help a local club with a new mgr/chairman with advice i once picked up from local Clubs-- no more

You offered me some advice which i declined.. big deal.. Boo hoo!

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	No Deal

Like i said, i was just concerned about the comments made about the kids

I have NEVER made a Comment on That... I actually helped Refereee your Tournament Last Year....... thumright

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rcwfc wrote:

	One - Hand - Waving wrote:
	I think if you read my post again you clearly see there is a total lack of opinion and just fact. If you want to chat about opinions, then rcwfc is the man you are looking for.

I've not replied to your initial posts as I'm not interested in putting you right about your 'facts' as I'd spend all night ripping them apart and to be quite honest I was more bothered about watching United on the box, eating, making several phone calls and basically breathing.

I'm curious as to how one man, who has absolutely nothing to do with RCW, can claim to know facts about the club and merely dismiss what people within the club say as opinions Think

As you have no link to the club I think it's safe for everyone here to assume that you are just voicing your opinions, unfortunately they are misguided but you are entitled to them, that is why god created forums such as this so that people like you can post comments and flex your internet muscles..... However I think you forgot to have your weetabix this morning.

Would it be easier for me to walk away? Do I need the hassle of running a side who have problems off the pitch? The answer is no. I do it because when I start something I see it through to the end or until I'm not wanted and I'll continue to be 100% committed until that time comes.

You can say whatever you like about our ground and facilities, but you're very wrong if you think that we will no longer have debt or bills to pay just because we are linked with Warwick Juniors, where in the rules does it say that??? And I thought you were a fairly bright individual, obviously you've been spoon fed false information and whoever did that has made you look very silly.

Let's put this to bed now, I'm bored. Thanks to Lee, G.W, D.O and Leigh for your supportive comments... it's good to know real football fans don't want to see a club in the league struggle or fold thumleft

rcwfc

If anyone is looking silly mate it’s you at about quarter to five every Saturday afternoon.

Look you are just one in a long list of people who have come on here and started throwing abuse in my direction and you all have one thing in common you are wrong in your opinions so you resort to name calling.

You are not the brightest bubble in the bath so please don’t resort to name calling until you are able to back up your opinion with the odd fact. So far your posts on the subject of my post have just been hot air and much like your half time team talks I imagine are given more in hope than expectation.

We all know as the Manager you are doing the best you can, we can all see the results and the league position and we can all judge the facts because at the end of the day that’s all that really matters.

While my post contained the facts of the matter your reply is a pathetic “look at me” attempt to pull on the heart strings of people who feel sorry for lame ducks and old donkeys. The hamster running around his wheel is making a concerted effort to get precisely nowhere do we call him stupid or praise the amount of effort he has wasted in getting precisely nowhere.

I have always supported the efforts of the football club, but when you come on here posting rubbish then expect a reply, if you are not man enough to respond with the facts and resort to petty name calling fine but again my post is there you have read it so why not attack the substance rather than the author if you believe you are right.

Why not explain your post about the council obtaining the lease illegally; you see my understanding is the lease was handed back to the council by the football club. So why not make that our first point of reference and discuss that FACT. So who is right in your words “one man, who has absolutely nothing to do with RCW” or you who refuses to post to defend your initial statement, a statement I may add that could land you and the club in hot water, you can’t really accuse the Council of acting illegally without proof, can you?

Let me just offer up a few facts in my defense, I know all about the leisure company and it’s proposal, I know about the Hotel and the immediate future plans, I know the football club pay a pittance to be there and they would need to double expenditure in order to get a ground share with lights elsewhere. I could go on but do you think that when the Glaziers thought about buying Man Utd for seven hundred and fifty million they had a chat with Fergie.

How do I know, because I do that’s all you need to know but am I wrong you know I ain’t so come back with reasoned argument or shut up. I don’t need to know about how hard your running around your little wheel I just need to see you are leaking an average of five goals a game and another Hamster is only £1.99 down the pet shop, think on.

One - Hand - Waving wrote:

rcwfc wrote:

	One - Hand - Waving wrote:
	I think if you read my post again you clearly see there is a total lack of opinion and just fact. If you want to chat about opinions, then rcwfc is the man you are looking for.

I've not replied to your initial posts as I'm not interested in putting you right about your 'facts' as I'd spend all night ripping them apart and to be quite honest I was more bothered about watching United on the box, eating, making several phone calls and basically breathing.

I'm curious as to how one man, who has absolutely nothing to do with RCW, can claim to know facts about the club and merely dismiss what people within the club say as opinions Think

As you have no link to the club I think it's safe for everyone here to assume that you are just voicing your opinions, unfortunately they are misguided but you are entitled to them, that is why god created forums such as this so that people like you can post comments and flex your internet muscles..... However I think you forgot to have your weetabix this morning.

Would it be easier for me to walk away? Do I need the hassle of running a side who have problems off the pitch? The answer is no. I do it because when I start something I see it through to the end or until I'm not wanted and I'll continue to be 100% committed until that time comes.

You can say whatever you like about our ground and facilities, but you're very wrong if you think that we will no longer have debt or bills to pay just because we are linked with Warwick Juniors, where in the rules does it say that??? And I thought you were a fairly bright individual, obviously you've been spoon fed false information and whoever did that has made you look very silly.

Let's put this to bed now, I'm bored. Thanks to Lee, G.W, D.O and Leigh for your supportive comments... it's good to know real football fans don't want to see a club in the league struggle or fold thumleft

rcwfc

If anyone is looking silly mate it’s you at about quarter to five every Saturday afternoon.

Look you are just one in a long list of people who have come on here and started throwing abuse in my direction and you all have one thing in common you are wrong in your opinions so you resort to name calling.

You are not the brightest bubble in the bath so please don’t resort to name calling until you are able to back up your opinion with the odd fact. So far your posts on the subject of my post have just been hot air and much like your half time team talks I imagine are given more in hope than expectation.

We all know as the Manager you are doing the best you can, we can all see the results and the league position and we can all judge the facts because at the end of the day that’s all that really matters.

While my post contained the facts of the matter your reply is a pathetic “look at me” attempt to pull on the heart strings of people who feel sorry for lame ducks and old donkeys. The hamster running around his wheel is making a concerted effort to get precisely nowhere do we call him stupid or praise the amount of effort he has wasted in getting precisely nowhere.

I have always supported the efforts of the football club, but when you come on here posting rubbish then expect a reply, if you are not man enough to respond with the facts and resort to petty name calling fine but again my post is there you have read it so why not attack the substance rather than the author if you believe you are right.

Why not explain your post about the council obtaining the lease illegally; you see my understanding is the lease was handed back to the council by the football club. So why not make that our first point of reference and discuss that FACT. So who is right in your words “one man, who has absolutely nothing to do with RCW” or you who refuses to post to defend your initial statement, a statement I may add that could land you and the club in hot water, you can’t really accuse the Council of acting illegally without proof, can you?

Let me just offer up a few facts in my defense, I know all about the leisure company and it’s proposal, I know about the Hotel and the immediate future plans, I know the football club pay a pittance to be there and they would need to double expenditure in order to get a ground share with lights elsewhere. I could go on but do you think that when the Glaziers thought about buying Man Utd for seven hundred and fifty million they had a chat with Fergie.

How do I know, because I do that’s all you need to know but am I wrong you know I ain’t so come back with reasoned argument or shut up. I don’t need to know about how hard your running around your little wheel I just need to see you are leaking an average of five goals a game and another Hamster is only £1.99 down the pet shop, think on.

Name calling? Can't remember calling you any names during my post? Think

I haven't thrown any abuse in your direction and the reason being is because if it wasn't for you this forum would be very dull, I see you as the forum joker joker

If you think by saying things like 'If anyone is looking silly mate it’s you at about quarter to five every Saturday afternoon.' it will hurt my feelings then I'm afraid you're wasting your time, your opinions of me and the club are of little concern to me. So instead of attempting to throw abuse in my direction perhaps you can tell me where you get your facts from? No? Shock. Like I said, you've been spoon fed with false information.... a leisure company, a hotel? Laughing

That's news to me and everyone else at the club, and it would be news to the council too.

Again you claim to know more about the club than people inside it, so you are obviously aware of the meeting that took place last night and who was there and what the outcome was? Wink

Once again I could spend quite some time ripping through your 'facts' but I really should be getting back to my wheel..... keep flexing those internet muscles, your mum must be so proud of you thumleft

deuce...advantage rcwfc....ohw to serve.

*rubs sore neck.

Hammy

I have written three replies to your post and each time deleted them.

All I will say is that in July the Council offered the lease on the open market, detailed talks were held with several parties. I had an invitation to one such party.

I have never suggested I knew anything about the club, it’s fair to say that the club may have been replaced or renamed had things gone further as the club was of no interest really.

I deal in facts and the facts are I know the money required to run the club annually is peanuts and much cheaper than a ground share.

If you and your people are unaware of Hotels and Leisure companies then I suggest you use Google, for you to say the Council are unaware is plainly stupid they have been accepting petitions for over 12 months.

You may see me as a joker and that’s fine, but this joker could pay your lease every year and still have change for a budget.

Like I said talk facts and the facts suggest you are not a very good Manager, you were not in a bad position on the field you had some quality players when Mr Fennimore was there and as GJ showed last season you can turn the worst club in the league into record breakers in three weeks if you know what you are doing.

Stop making excuses for your dire results most clubs in the league don’t have a budget, you started in November and yet were still getting spanked nine by Castle Vale the other day.

Personally I can’t see you making the grade in Division One so make the most of the few games you have left, I suggest someone at RCW gives old GJ a ring before the “Wise Men” nab him.

“Wise Men” – “Musketeers” - well there were three of them.

joker

One - Hand - Waving wrote:

Hammy

I have written three replies to your post and each time deleted them.

All I will say is that in July the Council offered the lease on the open market, detailed talks were held with several parties. I had an invitation to one such party.

I have never suggested I knew anything about the club, it’s fair to say that the club may have been replaced or renamed had things gone further as the club was of no interest really.

I deal in facts and the facts are I know the money required to run the club annually is peanuts and much cheaper than a ground share.

If you and your people are unaware of Hotels and Leisure companies then I suggest you use Google, for you to say the Council are unaware is plainly stupid they have been accepting petitions for over 12 months.

You may see me as a joker and that’s fine, but this joker could pay your lease every year and still have change for a budget.

Like I said talk facts and the facts suggest you are not a very good Manager, you were not in a bad position on the field you had some quality players when Mr Fennimore was there and as GJ showed last season you can turn the worst club in the league into record breakers in three weeks if you know what you are doing.

Stop making excuses for your dire results most clubs in the league don’t have a budget, you started in November and yet were still getting spanked nine by Castle Vale the other day.

Personally I can’t see you making the grade in Division One so make the most of the few games you have left, I suggest someone at RCW gives old GJ a ring before the “Wise Men” nab him.

“Wise Men” – “Musketeers” - well there were three of them.

joker

all i can say on this matter is that ohw does know the "FACTS" when it comes the lease etc. he's a man that could be of help.

ohw the 3 musketeers havent spoken to me honest. Laughing

hopefully someone will soon from somewhere. Pray

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Thanks for that GJ much appreciated. thumright

I think that's game set and Match again Charlie Laughing

I have to say that OHC is talking sense on this, although he like the rest of us will not be up to date with the day to day occurences, he like many of us do get relatively regular bulletins from that neck of the woods. It seems that certain committee rooms at the local town hall have the same problem as the RCW defense, perhaps both have a flat roof? (Only a light-hearted joke fellas....).

Back in the Autumn I, on my travels, spoke with a number of parties interested in the club, all with varying plans ranging from reviving RCW into a Southern League giant right down to simply aquiring the site and moving in another club. The only consistent thing in the conversations were the disbelief at the level of the debt (all relative of course) and the complete amazement that the Council were continuing to effectively act as administrators.

I admire those who have been involved this season through all of the regime changes for their efforts in trying to keep the club, the football club, going and I wish the current occupiers of the hotseat all the best for the future.

That said, I can't help thinking that, from the outside, it would have been better to draw a line under the current incarnation of the football club, and the wider business there, and all of the debt at the end of last season. Bring in one of the people who were serious in their interest, take the two division drop into MFC One and rebuild without all of the baggage. Given the state of things in June / July it was, in my opinion, short sighted not to go this route, and absolute madness to try and run two teams with all the associated expense with no more than three or four people trying to do the day to day running of the club, often just the one!

Still, the view from the inside is often very different from the outside.

Hi Lee

I only ever took an interest in RCW last year when the council put it on the market I had some talks as I knew an interested party and if I am honest wanted to tag along on the coat tails, for a few weeks I was very excited but in the end it came to nothing.

I had some very interesting conversation with the very top people at the council and obviously was party to things in confidence that I could not repeat.

My opinion then and now is that the club should fold and then rise like the Phoenix from the ashes debt free although I can see why this is an option that some people don’t want because they lose their money.

I think the council have been very fair with the football club after all this is a club that has had considerable wealth that other sides could only dream of and they have wasted it which is a scandal and I stick by my original comments wholeheartedly.

The people there now are not to blame of course and we all wish them well and hope the club survives but they are only their because of the state the club finds itself in, under normal circumstances they would be deemed unsuitable for the job in hand and this is probably why rcwfc has little grasp of the situation, it’s not just about a putting a match on a Saturday afternoon down there, it’s a political nightmare because it’s a shared facility.

If I am honest rcwfc seems to have little or no grasp of the bigger picture at all and while I admire his enthusiasm if this is an example of the pay grade hoping to move the club on then you have to worry for their future.

Hopefully there are people behind rcwfc with a better understanding of the situation and what is required and more importantly the future plans for the site which is an eyesore and crying out for redevelopment, something the council DO know all about despite rcwfc opinion.

Relegation is a certainty and crash and burn would be my only option, follow the path of Portsmouth and return as RCW2010.

One point of order, relegation is not a certainty. The ups & downs this summer are, in my own opinion looking at balancing the numbers across leagues, not certain by any means.

We will be lucky to get a final picture much before the AGM unless there is a sudden outbreak of fiscal revival and domestic bliss up river.

What people need to realise is if RCW folded, the club would be gone for good, the council will not allow RCW to operate from Townsend Meadow as a new entity, the premises would be handed to another club.

I believe all those connected with RCW should keep a dignified silence (I am involved with the club) and channel our efforts into keeping this great old club alive and with hard work and commitment hopefully prosper!!!

If the situation could have been resolved as easily as folding and then starting back up again then to be honest that route would most probably have been took before I got involved, I would like to stress that at no time has the amalgamation with Warwick Juniors ever been done for financial reasons, I have been involved in the talks and the subject of monetary gain has never once been mentioned (if there is a gain can someone let me know as we are football people not business minds).

The old regime has left building, if the new blood fail it won't be for the want of trying!!! salut

	Brightside wrote:
	I believe all those connected with RCW should keep a dignified silence (I am involved with the club)